Card/Deck +1/+1 Counters
- Thread starter James Stevenson
- Start date
Shrine of loyal legions was terrible for us. One of those damned if you do, damned if you don't cards.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
Yeah I'm not sure I like the "Sit on this forever then pop it for a one time benefit" cards like the shrines.
I initially had level up guys in the category with these cards, but the problem is that for a proliferate effect to be worth it, you either need to be ticking up multiple guys (As much as I'm sure UW in rise of the eldrazi was fine, I kinda don't want that kind of analysis paralysis for my drafters) or it has to be cheaper(ish) than the level up cost itself.
Like sure, I could volt charge to add a counter to my kargan dragonloard and swing
...or just pay a red...
Fading just kinda doesn't really work on it's own (Other than tangle wire which needs no help)
Wall of Roots is a fine card, but actively bad with proliferate
Skinrender is sweet, but I doubt I want 2. I'm also not totally convinced he'll actually be proliferated all that often...
Contagion and Smokestack are cards I don't want in my cube for other reasons (Good lord yeah black needed a pitch arc lightning -_-)
...and I've always found trike a bit weak. Maybe if he cost....4? I dunno
I've seen other people run him, why? Is being an artifact that huge a benefit? I'm sure meltyman will show up and be like "Well he combos with this and this and..." but the average case just seems so horrible. a 6 mana 4/4 was below the curve for the time, and magic has changed A LOT.
I initially had level up guys in the category with these cards, but the problem is that for a proliferate effect to be worth it, you either need to be ticking up multiple guys (As much as I'm sure UW in rise of the eldrazi was fine, I kinda don't want that kind of analysis paralysis for my drafters) or it has to be cheaper(ish) than the level up cost itself.
Like sure, I could volt charge to add a counter to my kargan dragonloard and swing
...or just pay a red...
Fading just kinda doesn't really work on it's own (Other than tangle wire which needs no help)
Wall of Roots is a fine card, but actively bad with proliferate
Skinrender is sweet, but I doubt I want 2. I'm also not totally convinced he'll actually be proliferated all that often...
Contagion and Smokestack are cards I don't want in my cube for other reasons (Good lord yeah black needed a pitch arc lightning -_-)
...and I've always found trike a bit weak. Maybe if he cost....4? I dunno
I've seen other people run him, why? Is being an artifact that huge a benefit? I'm sure meltyman will show up and be like "Well he combos with this and this and..." but the average case just seems so horrible. a 6 mana 4/4 was below the curve for the time, and magic has changed A LOT.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
If anyone's bored, here's all cards in magic that say "counter" without saying "Spell"
IE: Basically everything that can be proliferated
http://magiccards.info/query?q=o:counter+-o:spell&s=color&v=scan&p=1
IE: Basically everything that can be proliferated
http://magiccards.info/query?q=o:counter+-o:spell&s=color&v=scan&p=1
Ha right, I was spamming cards and not thinking properlyWall of Roots is a fine card, but actively bad with proliferate
Contagion is the hotness though
Chris Taylor
Contributor
Do you want salt? Because that's how you get salty!
When i was drafting with chris on thurs I passed a 13th pick tanglewire to Peter and he was like, This is the card that doesn't let your opponent do anything anymore right? And I was like... yes.Haha
He gave me a big grin and slapped it down on the table. I was already in an aggressive UWR deck so I knew I needed my mana and spell velocity more than I needed effective counterspells.
I can't believed I 3-0'd this time, there were probably 3 wastelands in that draft too.
I was thinking unleash guys (cackler and assassin), undying evil which I've always liked, and then support dudes like maybe oona's blackguard.
Tie in with black is loose admittedly. But the only other place I could put it is in my Naya/Sultai module and I don't really want it there (Sultai is all about the graveyard and Naya is zoo/anthem/token focused).
EDIT: On second thought, Naya/Sultai is my green overlap module. So maybe this theme could be green focused and bleed into both combination? hmm….
Tie in with black is loose admittedly. But the only other place I could put it is in my Naya/Sultai module and I don't really want it there (Sultai is all about the graveyard and Naya is zoo/anthem/token focused).
EDIT: On second thought, Naya/Sultai is my green overlap module. So maybe this theme could be green focused and bleed into both combination? hmm….
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
I am using customs, but you can look at my visual spoiler, I got a +1/+1 counter subtheme in Jund/Naya: http://khansofalara.blogspot.nl/#a_summary
Mine works. It could be better though, I want a couple more cards that care about all the counters. cubetutor.com/viewcube/1461
Screw custom cards, I want REAL options in black that go well with counters. Somebody get on this, quick.
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
Well... the monoblack section is not where my custom counters-matter cards are. I admit there's not a lot going on in black, but there are some nice options. I'm currently fielding these:
I meant more like exclusively +1/+1 counters for that CAHRAZY abzan theme that was weak in the black support department in Khans.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
Chris Taylor
Contributor
FlowerSunRain
Contributor
Oona's Blackguard and Retribution of the Ancients are really the only two black +1/+1 counter support cards I would run, its a pretty shallow pool. Oona's Blackguard can be pretty frustratingly unfun, too. Cloudfin Raptor into it gets brutal if not handled immediately.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
I've just now become aware based on the thread title that it would have been way better to post mana leak