Depends a bit on how easily you can expect to bin threats and how powerful the threats are at 4-5 mana. If I have 10 Entombs and Big Gris in my deck, I'm going to want to be sure I can get him back on turn 5 every time. If I have 3 "2U draw 3, discard 2" and a couple reasonable 7 drops to reclaim, the number's a lot lower. In more common scenarios, I think japahn is on the right track.
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Not enemy colored but maybe you can use Mage-Ring Network from Vryn?
There are also some monocolored ones.
Chris Taylor
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Is this a request? I can make some
topic of reanimator: one beacon of unrest, X tutors that can fetch sorceries. (not really but I dream)
I think it depends on how powerful the actual reanimator cards are, animate dead or recurring nightmare is going to be a lot more appealing to "not the reanimator deck" seats than say, rise again. I like to have around 3 to 5 effects if I'm a dedicated reanimation deck so I'd probably want to see about 4-7 effects in the cube, closer to 7 if they're mostly of the generally appealing type, closer to 4 if they're bad enough that they'll likely table in packs 2 and 3. (is this ironic? I'm not sure.)
On the other hand, There's a lot of appeal in cards like gravecrawler which play out of the graveyard without additional investment, and they don't do weird things with your top-end, animate dead makes stuff like Gishath, Sun's Avatar suddenly way less 'quirky timmy bait' and way more 'well I guess I'm all-in on the mulligan for entomb plan' which is fine if that's intentional, but definitely *not fine* if the rest of the environment isn't playing at a similar pace of play. (put another way: maybe the reanimator deck that feels best in a particular cube is the one with a density of self-recursive effects, rather than hard targeted reanimation.)
I think it depends on how powerful the actual reanimator cards are, animate dead or recurring nightmare is going to be a lot more appealing to "not the reanimator deck" seats than say, rise again. I like to have around 3 to 5 effects if I'm a dedicated reanimation deck so I'd probably want to see about 4-7 effects in the cube, closer to 7 if they're mostly of the generally appealing type, closer to 4 if they're bad enough that they'll likely table in packs 2 and 3. (is this ironic? I'm not sure.)
On the other hand, There's a lot of appeal in cards like gravecrawler which play out of the graveyard without additional investment, and they don't do weird things with your top-end, animate dead makes stuff like Gishath, Sun's Avatar suddenly way less 'quirky timmy bait' and way more 'well I guess I'm all-in on the mulligan for entomb plan' which is fine if that's intentional, but definitely *not fine* if the rest of the environment isn't playing at a similar pace of play. (put another way: maybe the reanimator deck that feels best in a particular cube is the one with a density of self-recursive effects, rather than hard targeted reanimation.)
Chris Taylor
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Initial Draft:
I know you only wanted enemy ones but this would work better as a full 10 card cycle. If you're married to using the existing ones, I can come up with actual land names for these
Edit: Right I need to actually check if it's "Add
or " or "Add or "
Chris Taylor
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Absolutly, or there's the Artificer app if you prefer mobile.
MSE is old software, but not old enough that I'd have to DOSBox it or anything, it installs fine on windows 10.
If you do, just make sure it's installed somewhere OTHER than your program files (the default) because windows 10 has more restrictive permissions, which blocks MSE from running.
If you just put the whole install folder on your desktop it works fine.
Chris Taylor
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That scans
Okay, well what would you actually prefer?
Okay, well what would you actually prefer?
Onderzeeboot
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Initial Draft:
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I know you only wanted enemy ones but this would work better as a full 10 card cycle. If you're married to using the existing ones, I can come up with actual land names for these
Edit: Right I need to actually check if it's "Add
It's the first, see e.g. https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/502/wind-scarred-crag
So, the og storage lands (yes, I'm ignoring the Fallen Empires and Mercadian Masques cycles, they're not real) are called Calciform Pools, Dreadship Reef, Molten Slagheap, Fungal Reaches, and Saltcrusted Steppe. This suggests we're looking for two word land names. They're set on Dominaria, but the names are all kinds of generic. All of them sort of evoke a feeling of accumulation though, so that's another thing we could try to adhere to. Here's some suggestions for names and art.
Ramshackle Storehouse - https://www.deviantart.com/vityar83/art/stables-713683272 Snowswept Chasm - https://www.deviantart.com/alexkonstad/art/Giants-Chasm-BIERZERKERS-519362217 or https://www.deviantart.com/ardoric-art/art/Peaks-of-Arctic-Moon-Valley-799084659 Icecap Bluff - https://www.deviantart.com/jordangrimmer/art/Iceberg-Digital-Painting-Process-759371604 Blooming Backwater - https://www.deviantart.com/klontak/art/Reflections-344766631 Rootknot Bog - https://www.deviantart.com/ferdinandladera/art/Mystical-Forest-321871481 Underground Oasis - https://www.deviantart.com/jbrown67/art/Underground-Oasis-363754487 Boulder Plains, Dust Barrens; can't really find art I like for R/W, maybe https://www.deviantart.com/vimark/art/We-ve-got-a-point-of-entry-816071936 Swirling Fields - https://www.deviantart.com/andreasrocha/art/The-Swirling-Fields-828595513 Hillside Meadow - https://www.deviantart.com/themefinland/art/Hillside-cabin-814155715 Floodwater Forest - https://www.deviantart.com/alexalexandrov/art/Landscape-Study-264669807 or https://www.deviantart.com/joshhutchinson/art/Raging-River-338788129 Timberland Basin - https://www.deviantart.com/jozefbalaz/art/Before-the-storm-753257778Also, damn, I just realized WotC stole my Alpine Meadow name for one of their snow duals! Now I've got to come up with a different name for my custom
Onderzeeboot
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What's your favorite for each color pair? (I realize I didn't give you many options for BW, but I kinda liked the one I found, so I didn't search any further
Though, I guess the name could be Derelict Storehouse as an alternative!)
Chris Taylor
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Sounds good, I'll get that done
As always bootman, you're a master with the internet artwork
As always bootman, you're a master with the internet artwork
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
You've already got the initial drafts, can I leave the rest to you? Otherwise we're both creating MSE cards and doing double workI know you only wanted enemy ones but this would work better as a full 10 card cycle. If you're married to using the existing ones, I can come up with actual land names for these
Edit: Right I need to actually check if it's "Add
Edit: Nice, we posted at nearly the same moment
Chris Taylor
Contributor
For some reason this has me thinking about a grain storehouse, or perhaps a windmill... same idea.
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
Highland Corral! Same art, way better name! Personally I like it better than my Swirling Fields suggestion
Do you guys run any cards with the Revolt Keyword? Is it nutty? Seems like a fun Morbid variant that works on Fetchlands.
Budget Goyf?
Budget Goyf?
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
I run Fatal Push and Hidden Stockpile. The first one is really solid removal, the second one is a really fun build around. When I still supported I also cubed Renegade Rallier, which is also really neat. It can even get back that fetchland you just sacced! I tested Vengeful Rebel, which proved to be a bit harder to properly use, but it's good in aristocrat decks. Narnam Renegade also is a solid enough one drop, in a fetchland heavy environment it's basically a better Kird Ape. Lastly, Solemn Recruit is an excellent card. I cut it because I tried to support humans, but I've since abandoned that tribe, so maybe I should make room for her again!
As for your suggestion, Greenwheel Liberator has been a bit underwhelming, because all it brings to the table is stats in a color that has more reliable ways to put big two drops into play. Green also isn't a good fit for aristocrats, so often it just sat in the hand as a very underwhelming 2/1, whereas it's perfectly fine to run out the Renegade as a 1/2 deathtouch, since it will still trade with an opponent's creature.
Edit: Oh, one other excellent card I forgot to mention is Countless Gears Renegade, I've really enjoyed the card when I had it in my cube. It's both more at home in its color's typical archetypes, two bodies often are more relevant than the additional power, and white is a more logical pairing for the aristocrats colors than green, since it's naturally adept at flooding the board with fodder. Man, I should really find a way to reinclude that card, it was gas!
I also cubed Renegade Rallier, which is also really neat. It can even get back that fetchland you just sacced! I tested Vengeful Rebel, which proved to be a bit harder to properly use, but it's good in aristocrat decks. Narnam Renegade also is a solid enough one drop, in a fetchland heavy environment it's basically a better Kird Ape. Lastly, Solemn Recruit is an excellent card. I cut it because I tried to support humans, but I've since abandoned that tribe, so maybe I should make room for her again!As for your suggestion, Greenwheel Liberator has been a bit underwhelming, because all it brings to the table is stats in a color that has more reliable ways to put big two drops into play. Green also isn't a good fit for aristocrats, so often it just sat in the hand as a very underwhelming 2/1, whereas it's perfectly fine to run out the Renegade as a 1/2 deathtouch, since it will still trade with an opponent's creature.
Edit: Oh, one other excellent card I forgot to mention is Countless Gears Renegade, I've really enjoyed the card when I had it in my cube. It's both more at home in its color's typical archetypes, two bodies often are more relevant than the additional power, and white is a more logical pairing for the aristocrats colors than green, since it's naturally adept at flooding the board with fodder. Man, I should really find a way to reinclude that card, it was gas!
