Butts matter sounds terrible. Didn't JW try and reject Doran already? And walls are bad?
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If JW is me, then not exactly. I just have not a lot of room for Abzan cards. The big thing about Doran is that he neuters aggressive creatures far more than he pumps anything else. Cube is full of aggressive 3/2s and 2/1s and 4/1s that get way worse when Doran is on the field. Building around it is not really the way to go.
Grillo_Parlante
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I was just joking: every once in a while we'll brainstorm a "defenders matters" theme or some such thing. It would be kind of funny to have that theme work out because twisted image is setting up a combo kill, but its hardly realistic.
Totally a deck.
More seriously, I have some brainstormed - err, gathered - lists of cards for defenders matter and toughness matters. Warning: crappy cards ahead. I didn't filter these cards by power level.
Toughness Payoff:
Walls payoff:
Toughness boost:
Non-Walls with high toughness:
Walls:
My conclusion was that with multiple Assault Formations, the deck is doable, but you need to be very careful not to make it poisonous. Control decks will have a good amount of overlap, but not many cards are generically useful. Skinshifter, Veteran Armorer, Foul Renewal and Profaner of the Dead are some I'd definitely run for this theme (provided they were on color).
Talking about colors, white and green look like no-brainers. Adding black gets you the goodies from Abzan. Blue has a bunch of new cards at a good power level. All red has to offer is Vent Sentinel.
Ooooh, I love skinshifter! And what I've learned about my tastes is, that probably means it's a "reject rare".
Chris Taylor
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Silumgar, Lord of Hero is a great name
I was reading about squadroning, and I was wondering has anyone tried squadroning unique cards together? For instance instead of having two jeskai cards that both "wheel all day", you pack inside one sleeve Jeskai Ascendancy and Warden of the Eye.
My trinket mage comes with an artefact land. But good point, this is design space we should open up a lot more!
I got it from BTP I swear
Too much work to quote that longwinded drivel
Too much work to quote that longwinded drivel
Nah, it's a totally reasonable idea.
I try and think really hard about what Sarkhan must've done to alter the timestream, and change Silumgar from a dastardly dragon into the ultimate white weenie.
FINE I'll look up this stupid roborosewater.
hey, this is a pretty cool design that maybe just needs to cost a bit more mana. UG? Nice little stinger at the end to give you value when it dies.
hey, this is a pretty cool design that maybe just needs to cost a bit more mana. UG? Nice little stinger at the end to give you value when it dies.
Woah... if you hadn't said this, I wouldn't have realised what a bee-themed card this actually is.
I may be misconstrudeling this question, but if you're asking about a discard theme in cube, safra's made a great thread about it before. It's my opinion that the only bad discard for cube is probably Mind Twist and, potentially, Thoughtseize. There are a number of Thoughtseize perspectives.
A) Thoughtseize is awesome and powerful enough to see play in any deck; thus, it's worth including.
B) Thoughtseize is powerful enough that a T1 Thoughtseize can potentially win you the game for free, due to your opponent keeping a shaky 7/6.
In my experience, Thoughtseize performs the B scenario so often that I had to cut it. However, I still push a discard deck very gently, and have tried a few cards over the past few months. Feel free to peek at the thread (and perhaps my cube, but it's going under the knife right now) for some ideas on what black cards perform and what don't, but personally, I've really enjoyed Blackmail and Cabal Therapy. I'd love to grab up a Kozilek's Inquisition, but I'm cheap and don't want to spend that kind of money right now. Still, I expect to try to push my discard suite a notch, as it's really awesome when a deck has a few discard spells in it; just 1 is "nice", but when you hit 3, you really feel like it's a new axis of disruption, rather than just a 1-off "I hope this hits something lol" effect.
There's certainly a possibility that inquisition gets a reprint in Oath.
Chris Taylor
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kinda like path being reprinted. Card is insanely strong
So is Thoughtseize though, and they reprinted that anyway
Chris Taylor
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Yeah, and a lot of pros complained about its game design the whole time it was in standard
I agree that Thoughtseize was very oppressive for most of its time in Standard (Mono-black then Abzan). I'm just saying that clearly didn't stop Wizards from printing it, and we might see a worse card than Thoughtseize (IOK) printed too.
Onderzeeboot
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Woaaaaaaaaaaah! Suddenly I was winning with 11/11 Worm tokens
