CML
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i would say i prefer old sorin but i just never got around to trying new one which i will do later
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i would say i prefer old sorin but i just never got around to trying new one which i will do later
Chris Taylor
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Old Sorin doesn't give mass lifelink, is a much cooler anthem, and is a decent control card.
Not even close
Not even close
I still prefer my token-making abilities to be minuses. They're both close to being cards that I love, while having enough wrong with them to make me want to pass.
Chris Taylor
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Normally I do too (See 6 mana elspeth) but his are usually real innocous
When Jason came and stayed with me in London we had a cube draft and he opened old Sorin. He said "This card should not be in your cube." So I just took it out and instead he got a Remand added to his pack and we were just much happier to have that in the draft.
Onderzeeboot
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I've never been unhappy with old Sorin. Gold instead of monocolored, and much less overbearing, he's pretty much old Elspeth done right.
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Onderzeeboot
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Bloodbraid Elf because it isn't a flip card and my drafters don't have to take it out of the sleeve to see what it fricking does.
Huntmaster for the Pod target.
Onderzeeboot
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Bloodbraid Elf potentially gives you two poddable bodies though.
Chris Taylor
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Onderzeeboot
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I cut Pod. Gasp! I know
Green Sun's Zenith, Fauna Shaman and See the Unwritten are my tutors of choice.
Onderzeeboot
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Oh, people were drafting it, and then coming up with not enough chains so it sucked. Pod also warps your cube by pushing enters the battlefield creatures and pushing out instant/sorcery-based token producers. The first is bad because running too many enters the battlefield effects makes your removal worse, a bad thing if you already run slightly suboptimal removal by design. The second is bad if you want to push Pyromancer and prowess and don't want to exclude fun cards (like Grizzly Fate) but have to because otherwise you hurt your Pod chains too much.
Yeah, I can see the arguments for not running pod. I've seen that it's sufficiently powerful and kind of interesting to draft around, but certainly isn't everyone's cup of tea.
Onderzeeboot
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Oh definitely, its just a direction Pod pulls me in, because upgrading a Keldon Marauders into an Eternal Witness into a Polukranos feels so much better than podding, say, a Prodigal Pyromancer into a Boon Satyr into a Polukranos. Not that I don't run any etb effects, I just don't want it to be the only thing in green because I want to make Pod a good card. Since Gruul is a supported guild, for example, I also want to run token producers in green that aren't creature based to synergizes with the double Prodigal Pyromancer in my cube.
Onderzeeboot
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Yeah, there's also +1/+1 counters, enchantments, Naya aggro and ramp.
I've run bloodbraid for years but am about to try transform creatures and huntmaster is one of the shining examples, so he's coming in. His lines of play seem pretty fun, too.
To combat double-faced cards (lots of newer players try my cube) I'm running the tip cards in-cube and have the actual cards in clear sleeves with my tokens for them to examine pre and mid-draft.
To combat double-faced cards (lots of newer players try my cube) I'm running the tip cards in-cube and have the actual cards in clear sleeves with my tokens for them to examine pre and mid-draft.
I think you nailed the issue with Pod on the head. It's at its best in high powered environments, where nobody blinks an eye at running multiples of Kitchen Finks or Shriekmaw, because there are so many powerful things going on. In lower powered environments, with fewer Nekrataals and persist bodies, the value of Pod goes down a lot, as spending a card and a pile of mana just to marginally increase the stats of one of your dorks is less worthwhile.
It makes sense that it's worked for Jason and others running high powered lists, and that it hasn't worked for a lot of us who aren't maxing out on ETB creatures.
The solution then, obviously, is just to get our wallets slam dunked on the counter and get hold on some high powered cards.
Well, it wasn't a power problem with pod for us. It was a laziness thing. More than once guys (myself included) would pod and realize we didn't have a creature we could fetch. And that's just because we weren't really keeping track and paying attention. So guys found the card too much work and just stopped drafting it.
I think pod is a really awesome card and I love the design, it just fell out of favor here.
I think pod is a really awesome card and I love the design, it just fell out of favor here.
It's definitely more of a constructed card than a limited one. The next time I draft Pod, I almost want to try running more than forty cards - maybe forty-fiveish? - just to see if it'll smooth things over curve-wise. Probably a horrible idea, but might be worth trying exactly once.