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CML

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dunkin donuts coffee is one of two things i do not hate about the east coast

of course the starbucks prez who sold the Sonics down the river is a new york scumbag
 

Grillo_Parlante

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While I have heard excellent things about Seattle, it must be said that starbucks is basically just bad espresso drowned in syrups/milk.

You really don't need much at home to make better coffee either.
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I think I meant more like, if the 1W manifest card were an instant it might be kinda cool for lower powered cubes that wanted white sections to build graveyards faster and add token spells, but then again the nature of manifest is kinda lame the way they make it rather hard to make use of a spell face down. I think there are probz all kinds of funny manifest interactions in cube, but it seems like it mainly just kills your ETB effects.

Besides anthems and spells matter and graveyards what else makes tokens more interesting? Convoke? Sac themes?
 

Onderzeeboot

Ecstatic Orb
I think I meant more like, if the 1W manifest card were an instant it might be kinda cool for lower powered cubes that wanted white sections to build graveyards faster and add token spells, but then again the nature of manifest is kinda lame the way they make it rather hard to make use of a spell face down. I think there are probz all kinds of funny manifest interactions in cube, but it seems like it mainly just kills your ETB effects.

Besides anthems and spells matter and graveyards what else makes tokens more interesting? Convoke? Sac themes?

I think there are a few cubes around here that could make great use of manifest. Generally, in a cube with top notch removal creatures need to either have immediate impact (Flametongue Kavu, Hellrider), have a huge impact if they survive (Hero of Bladehold), or be resilient to removal (Sagu Mauler). You really only can afford interesting but lower impact creatures (Liliana's Reaver) if you tone down your removal suite. I know there's some cubes out here that have done exactly that, and in those cube the need for an endless supply of etb creatures is much lower. Those are the cubes where manifest may actually shine. I know for a fact that I'm going to try out a few, and I have pretty high hopes. Manifest is basically morph tuned for competitive environments. Instead of a baseline 2/2 for {3} you get a baseline 2/2 for {2}, which is the difference between horrible and playable!

A quick count in my cube reveals that roughly 30% of the creatures in my cube are better to cast than to manifest, though there's a lot of variance in how bad it is to manifest those creatures. Obviously manifesting a Mardu Woe-Reaper is not ideal, but it's not the end of the world either. Manifesting a Dack's Duplicate is a lot worse however!
 
I think I meant more like, if the 1W manifest card were an instant it might be kinda cool for lower powered cubes that wanted white sections to build graveyards faster and add token spells, but then again the nature of manifest is kinda lame the way they make it rather hard to make use of a spell face down. I think there are probz all kinds of funny manifest interactions in cube, but it seems like it mainly just kills your ETB effects.

Besides anthems and spells matter and graveyards what else makes tokens more interesting? Convoke? Sac themes?


Well, manifest is begging to be abused with blink. Manifest some heinous fatty, then blink it into beefcake mode. Galepowder Mage and the like are basically a manifest abusers wet dream.
 

Grillo_Parlante

Contributor
Uses for Manifest:

1. Dodge ETB penalties (e.g. skaab ruinator)
2. Blink (which also works with non-creature permanents like faith's fetters)
3. Morph cards with cheap CC/expensive morph costs (skinthinner)
4. Avoiding troubling upkeep costs (vanishing, echo ect.)

To really abuse it you need strong TOL manipulation via tutors, scry cards, or cantrips.

It looks like a pretty narrow mechanic though: comboish without a huge payoff, in most cases, and the manifest cards themselves generally look very weak on their own.
 
Do you guys also cube red akroma?
You also have to remember that if you are cubing manifest to cube more spells matter cards you are way less likely to be hitting an actual creature in the decks excited about it. OMG House rules with manifested delver coming down as it's flipped end?
 

CML

Contributor
I'm taking it you don't know Mike, CML?


woops, sorry i didn't say earlier. i don't know him!

i hate starbucks and nobody from seattle ever considers going to it ... unless we're outside seattle. then it's a beacon of civilization and that really reflects more on the other places in the US than anything else.

"you never see a seattleite down and out ... unless he's in seattle, of course."
 

James Stevenson

Steamflogger Boss
Staff member
Am I just a massive hipster if I avoid any chains at all? I really hate that most of the cafes and restaurants are chains everywhere you go, that you've already seen everywhere else. I know that they're still plenty of independent places, but we don't need this much homogenisation. It gets real tough for independent places to compete, as well, and they die out. I detest what Starbucks and McDonalds stand for, as companies that already own huge portions of the market and still feel the need to advertise and expand. I'll steal their wifi any day, but I'll just go without coffee rather than go to Starbucks. The coffee sucks too.
 

Eric Chan

Hyalopterous Lemure
Staff member
when i go on a road trip, i only ever stop at mcdonald's, because i know they'll have a bathroom and cheap food of a known quantity

am i a bad person
 

Grillo_Parlante

Contributor
Its nice being able to travel and knowing what you are going to get at certain places.

I just hate Starbucks because it gives Americans a false impression of Italian coffee. But than this was basically me my first time walking into a starbucks soo...

 
Am I just a massive hipster if I avoid any chains at all?

The only chains I visit for food are Chipotle and occasionally Papa Gino's or Uno Pizzeria, unless I'm traveling and very hungry. I have definitely become snobbish over the years in that regard.

I'm much less picky about coffee. I get both DD and Starbucks on the reg, mainly because they are easily accessible by car when I just want a coffee. When I'm at home I make it point to walk to the local coffee shop that is indeed overrun by hipsters. I fear that I am slowly becoming one as well.

Edit: I realized that today I wore a fitted-style flannel, made stuffed mushrooms, and brought a bottle of mead to a Super Bowl party. Welp I suppose it's too late for me.
 

Onderzeeboot

Ecstatic Orb
I like how McDonalds adapts to local customs. Did you know the McChicken in the Netherlands is actually different from the McChicken in Germany? It's like time zones, except McDonalds zones are way smaller :)
 
The only chains I visit for food are Chipotle and occasionally Papa Gino's or Uno Pizzeria, unless I'm traveling and very hungry. I have definitely become snobbish over the years in that regard.

I'm much less picky about coffee. I get both DD and Starbucks on the reg, mainly because they are easily accessible by car when I just want a coffee. When I'm at home I make it point to walk to the local coffee shop that is indeed overrun by hipsters. I fear that I am slowly becoming one as well.

Edit: I realized that today I wore a fitted-style flannel, made stuffed mushrooms, and brought a bottle of mead to a Super Bowl party. Welp I suppose it's too late for me.


HOW DARE YOU BE ASHAMED OF BRINGING THE MEAD!!! THE MEAD IS THE LIFE.
 
when i go on a road trip, i only ever stop at mcdonald's, because i know they'll have a bathroom and cheap food of a known quantity

am i a bad person
That's pretty much why Yelp exists. You have a phone right? Just walk into a place that's 1: nearby, and 2: either 4 stars up and you're willing to try, or 3.5 stars up and you're a fan of that cuisine.

Some of the best food I've ever eaten was back when I had sufficient money to travel, and Yelp directed me to the good, local restaurants with decent prices so that I didn't have to A: gamble on an unknown place or B: feed the wallets of the CEOs/restaurants that treat their workers like expendable robots.

I run:

Del Yaqui http://www.yelp.com/biz/del-yaqui-guadalupe-3
- the building is described as MAD MAX style. who doesn't want that?
Pho Hong Phat http://www.yelp.com/biz/pho-hong-phat-long-beach
a squadron of Steaks & Cakes http://www.yelp.com/biz/steaks-and-cakes-blythe-2
 

CML

Contributor
Am I just a massive hipster if I avoid any chains at all? I really hate that most of the cafes and restaurants are chains everywhere you go, that you've already seen everywhere else. I know that they're still plenty of independent places, but we don't need this much homogenisation. It gets real tough for independent places to compete, as well, and they die out. I detest what Starbucks and McDonalds stand for, as companies that already own huge portions of the market and still feel the need to advertise and expand. I'll steal their wifi any day, but I'll just go without coffee rather than go to Starbucks. The coffee sucks too.


nah you're fine there's no excuse for it unless you live somewhere where you can only do that, but you shouldn't be living in such a place
 

James Stevenson

Steamflogger Boss
Staff member

I will admit, there are some great chains. Chipotle is delicious. I tried In-N-Out in California last year and that was great. Nandos is nostalgic for me and my friends. All these places are cheap, too, and that's important.

For me, most chain-store food is drunken food. I have an appreciation for places which will serve me greasy food at 3am.
Re: drunk food. Oh man, London is filled with shitty fried chicken shops and they are AMAZING. Fucking love that stuff. The only better drunk food I know of is poutine. But I gotta say, KFC is the big chain for chicken and it's terrible. Gimme "Golden Chicken" or "Best Chicken" or "Texas Fried Chicken" or the one right across the street, "Texa Fried Chicken".
 

Dom Harvey

Contributor
I mostly hate McDonald's because of the overall aesthetic and the people who go there (/deposit their empty boxes of fries on the street instead of bins that are right there, like seriously, fuck you). No beef with Starbucks though.
 

Chris Taylor

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Starbucks earns a bad rep because everyone seems to think it's this overpriced milkshake chain that serves 16 year olds that warm cup of milk with half a cup of sugar swirled in that people people reflexively insist on calling coffee. Their actual coffee is not bad at all.

That being said, there's a Tim Hortens (Read: Canadian Dunkin Donuts) in the basement of my building at work, and it's way too fuckin cold to walk 3 blocks for basically the same coffee.
 

Eric Chan

Hyalopterous Lemure
Staff member
That's pretty much why Yelp exists. You have a phone right? Just walk into a place that's 1: nearby, and 2: either 4 stars up and you're willing to try, or 3.5 stars up and you're a fan of that cuisine.
uh, yes, i'm well aware that Yelp helps once you're at your destination. i was referring to the actual 'road' part of road trips, when you're on long stretches of highway in between cities. this is why i specifically said road trip, and not just 'vacation'. not sure that i require the services of Urbanspoon when i just need to figure out how to divvy up a 300km drive with a bathroom break and a quick snack.

the whole concept of a road trip kind of precludes 'walking in'. you're on the road!
 

Eric Chan

Hyalopterous Lemure
Staff member
Starbucks earns a bad rep because everyone seems to think it's this overpriced milkshake chain that serves 16 year olds that warm cup of milk with half a cup of sugar swirled in that people people reflexively insist on calling coffee. Their actual coffee is not bad at all.
starbucks christmas blend is just about my favourite coffee ever, no joke
 
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