General The Constructed thread
- Thread starter Dom Harvey
- Start date
VibeBox
Contributor
"When cards are banned from a format, Wizards investigates whether there is a banned card that, if not banned, might add new decks to competitive play."
cause thinking about format decisions more frequently than now and then would be to haaaaaaard
people will complain but TC needed to go. wouldn't be at all surprised to see DTT get restricted as well.
i don't know modern but pod always struck me as a mistake and it will only get worse set after set with creature power creep in full effect as it is nowadays
cause thinking about format decisions more frequently than now and then would be to haaaaaaard
people will complain but TC needed to go. wouldn't be at all surprised to see DTT get restricted as well.
i don't know modern but pod always struck me as a mistake and it will only get worse set after set with creature power creep in full effect as it is nowadays
VibeBox
Contributor
TC is easy to use in a wider variety of decks, and was also in the deck rising to dominance (delver) so it was an easier call for them to make.
without TC around people will start to turn to DTT as an alternative and find it just as powerful and nearly as easy to cast.
dig was just better in everything non aggressive as far as i can tell? UU is a lot easier in vintage than in legacy
VibeBox
Contributor
mostly yeah, except mana cost because...
i would argue the exact opposite. every mana counts in vintage.
been testing a little and it already annoys me sometimes not having that second blue to cast spell pierce to protect
Chris Taylor
Contributor
CML
Contributor
eh who knows. whenever i watch vintage vids either it's very low margin or everyone has 12 mana. 90% of games are awful and 10% are sublime. it's basically power cube in those regards
Shu Yun supposedly insane.
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
It's based around Temur Sabertooth. You use it to bounce creatures like Karametra's Acolyte and other untap guys to generate a ton of devotion mana (4x Nykthos in here as well) with Temur Ascendancy out or make huge copies of Genesis Hydra to just beat down. I think it uses Nylea, God of the Hunt and Nissa Worldwaker as other ways to win. Plays 3x Coursers and Eidolons for dat card draw. It was one camera at SCG DC, looked pretty awesome. He never actually comboed out for the win, but he just made a ton of mana and beat the crap out of the other guy. Even after an Ugin -X from the opponent to wipe his board. It was pretty awesome.
Dom Harvey
Contributor
Whisperer of the Wilds seems like an automatic inclusion in that deck, certainly an improvement over some of the mana guys.
Laz
Developer
That sounds like the most convoluted combo...
In order to yield mana from bouncing with the Sabertooth, your mana creature has to tap for at least 'casting cost + 3'. This means 7 for the Acolyte, and 7 for Satyr Wayfinder (since you need 2 to activate Nykthos). This is already a 3-card combo (4 for Wayfinder), but is also dependant upon having 7 devotion in play. You have 2 from Sabertooth, 1 from your mana-creature, and 1 from Ascendency, so need 3 more from somewhere (preferably from a 4+ power creature, since then you can also draw your whole deck). Sounds... kind of vulnerable to disruption.
Yeah, pretty convoluted, but it's Standard so it works every now and then. It's super fringy, maybe it was more a Week 1 thing than anything. Then again, no one's prepping to beat Temur Ascendancy of all things.
CML
Contributor
I think the shell of that deck is good enough that you can just minimize the combo and kick the crap out of people. i tried it the other day and sabertooth is so horrible that it makes me think wtf bad could happen if you just played Savage Knuckleblade instead, made the obvious switch from Caryatid to Rattle, cut the other bad cards, etc.
Dom Harvey
Contributor
CML, thoughts on something like this?
4 Satyr Wayfinder
4 Courser
4 Siege Rhino
1 Eidolon of Blossoms
2 Doomwake Giant
2 Hornet Queen
3 Tasigur
2 Commune with the Gods
2 Whip of Erebos
2 ?
2 Abzan Charm
3 Hero's Downfall
2 Murderous Cut
2 Bile Blight
25 Land
Commune seems a lot better now that you can turbo out Tasigur, but idk if that means you want to be heavier or lighter on Whip.
I want to try this because RW is scary for traditional Abzan, and they have a tough time beating Hornet Queen or continuous lifegain; Murderous Cut helps a lot too. This list is weak to typical Abzan now though? There are lots of random haymakers that are good against Abzan, but I'm not sure what the right mix is. Ugin is a concern too.
Need some stuff to fill out the last maindeck slots; it could just be the 3rd Whip/Queen, but I don't want my draws to get too clunky.
4 Satyr Wayfinder
4 Courser
4 Siege Rhino
1 Eidolon of Blossoms
2 Doomwake Giant
2 Hornet Queen
3 Tasigur
2 Commune with the Gods
2 Whip of Erebos
2 ?
2 Abzan Charm
3 Hero's Downfall
2 Murderous Cut
2 Bile Blight
25 Land
Commune seems a lot better now that you can turbo out Tasigur, but idk if that means you want to be heavier or lighter on Whip.
I want to try this because RW is scary for traditional Abzan, and they have a tough time beating Hornet Queen or continuous lifegain; Murderous Cut helps a lot too. This list is weak to typical Abzan now though? There are lots of random haymakers that are good against Abzan, but I'm not sure what the right mix is. Ugin is a concern too.
Need some stuff to fill out the last maindeck slots; it could just be the 3rd Whip/Queen, but I don't want my draws to get too clunky.