General The Draft Exchange

How does the playback thing work? Do I need to opt into the CT champ beta? I don't have this feature on mine...
As part of recording the Castle AI bot's picks for its corpus the site also records your packs and picks, too. But yes, it's a Champion feature, probably my second fave after getting to easily include my customs.
 

Aoret

Developer
Still not seeing this option. I do see the Castle AI recording. Am I trippin?

Ben seriously needs a UX guy.
 

Onderzeeboot

Ecstatic Orb
How does the playback thing work? Do I need to opt into the CT champ beta? I don't have this feature on mine...

When you click on a deck you (or another player) saved from your cube, you see the seating at the top. You can click on the green Human icon and Castle AI Bot icons to review their picks. For example, taking the BG Recursive Aggro deck you drafted earlier this week, I can see that you first-picked Cytoplast Root-Kin over Vendilion Clique (really?): http://www.cubetutor.com/humandraftpicks/c39fd116-4f53-466e-935c-5bf0919070fd
 

Aoret

Developer
When you click on a deck you (or another player) saved from your cube, you see the seating at the top. You can click on the green Human icon and Castle AI Bot icons to review their picks. For example, taking the BG Recursive Aggro deck you drafted earlier this week, I can see that you first-picked Cytoplast Root-Kin over Vendilion Clique (really?): http://www.cubetutor.com/humandraftpicks/c39fd116-4f53-466e-935c-5bf0919070fd
Ahhh okay I see it finally. And I can only defend that pick by suggesting that I'd probably just drafted or played blue immediately beforehand. I've been developing an aversion because I catch so much hell with my local playgroup over playing Ux decks all the time D:
 

Kirblinx

Developer
Staff member
I think you cheated OZB out of a draft there Blinxy!

My bad. I am so used to saying don't draft mine that I didn't think anyone would. I didn't even leave a link to my cube or anything, I guess Safra can just sniff out a list with Doomsday in it a mile away.
I personally just don't like posting lists of his cube here as it is hard to figure out what is going on with the large amount of customs. I just a did a draft for him then since I felt a little sorry.

I also did a draft of your cube and still can't get out of my UR Rut:
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I was entranced by blue Tezz but kept wanting to pick up board sweepers. I should have made this a tempo deck instead of this funky hybrid deck but when I want to play Wildfire goddamn it I will do it.
 

Eric Chan

Hyalopterous Lemure
Staff member
oh man I should run Delvers

i can vouch for Delvers being great in cube - i get that there's a fatigue on this forum from seeing Delver in every format ever, but it plays out a little differently (read: less reliably) in cube, and i personally think it's been all upside for blue tempo decks
 

Aoret

Developer
Since Kirblinx doesn't want his drafted I guess I'll do.... *spins wheel* ....
safras!

Here it is:
http://www.cubetutor.com/cubedeck/526453
collected company over numerous better cards. here's hoping I see the second one!
at least if it all goes awry I'll be able to cast cryptic command.
heartwood storyteller
land heavy back, lots of black, still a bit unsure of signals, misty rainforest over veteran chronarch, either deck will use it
from what I'm seeing, I think we need to be UB and probably control. languish over dissolve
engineered explosives is safe (did I really just write that?)
xathrid necro
phyrexian revoker
drana over negate (drana still being in the pack says a lot)
glen elendra over icefall regeant
asylum visitor over guul draz assassin. The latter is more controlling but damn 5 sorcery speed mana is a big investment
priest of the blood rite deck to be in
let's not lose to reckless charge
herald of torment trades I guess if we're desperate for playables because I dallied in green
shriekmaw, duress, dismember, dread return, perilous myr, every UBx land ever. Damn. Dismember is strongest and I don't think it's that close
grim bargain is the dopest. also so are these custom fetchland renders :D
ohshi- this pack has tons. Dragonlord silumgar, archmage prodigy, coutnersquall, ghastly demise, dark ritual, entomb, smothing abom. I think I want to have a mini reanimator plan so entomb
holy shit this draft. sidisi UV, skaab ruinator, enclave cryptologist, rattlechains, thought scour. As much as I love ruinating fools, I think it's sidisi.
fuck yeah unburial rites
toshiro over harbinger of the tides, and keiga (also of the tides). I think we can probably pick up a random big creature between now and pick 45.
temple of deceit over ob nixilis reignited, I'm not worried about playables. I am worried about casting cryptic.
shiiit. go for the throat? kalitas ToG? sidisi's faithful? life//death?
I'd love to play sidisi's faithful but I think GftT is gonna be better
perilous myr over dread return, I'm not all in on reanimator I just want a cheeky win with it once during my games
darkblast might get played dunno, certainly welcome in the board.
countersquall over smothing abom, we don't have enough food for it.
thought scour
goyf
suffocating blast
wilt leaf liege
venser SS
smother
jace VP does it get any sicker?
underground sea
silent departure
marsh flats
remand
gifts ungiven :D
painful truths dont really need
porcelain legionnaire our deck is gonna be completely fine
scatter to the winds mise
doomsday super mise but I dunno if we can afford that much life loss
I'm realizing I never did get a random 6 mana creature. hate draft feldon
ojutai's command
pack guardian
 

Onderzeeboot

Ecstatic Orb
grim bargain is the dopest.

Lol, that's a custom by me that's not even in my cube anymore. Hmm... Maybe I should put it back in, Sygg, River Cutthroat, Mindmelter and Recoil are all kinda meh, aren't they? And I have been wanting to push reanimator just a little bit more... Which one would you people cut for the custom?

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Anyway, time to draft Aoret's cube :)

p1p1: Path to Exile over Mikaeu, the Unhallowed and not much more.
p1p2: Hmm... There's a bunch of options here, Collected Company, Reveillark, Hero of Oxid Ridge, Gavony Township, Boneshredder, Bonesplitter, Champion of the Parish...
I decide to go with Bonesplitter, which is harder to replace than a one drop, and will almost always make the cut.
p1p3: Shriekmaw or Warden of the First Tree. The only white card is Angel of Serenity, which I'm not interested in. I guess Warden is boss with Bonesplitter and kind of white? I pick it.
p1p4: Sheesh... Inferno Titan stares at me... Mox Diamond, a few white weenies, hmm... How am I going to beat Inferno Titan? Still, it does not mesh with my cards so far, and Thalia, Guardian of Thraben is excellent with the splitter.
p1p5: Haha! Rewarded! Knight of the Reliquary is an easy pick, now I really hope that Township wheels! (passing Magma Jet, Spear of Heliod, Goblin Dark-Dwellers, Whip of Erebos, among others).
p1p6: Briarhorn always impresses me, plus it's an answer to Inferno Titan, and there's not much else in my colors anyway. Wildfire, Garruk Relentless and Unexpectedly Absent get passed.
p1p7: Wow. Sublime Archangel, get into my pile!
p1p8: Yasova Dragonclaw does absolutely nothing in my deck. Eh, it's still a 4/2 trample.
p1p9: And I wheeled... Crucible of Worlds?
p1p10: Oh my goodness... I wheel all of the p1p2 cards in my colors. Seeing how I've got KotR, I pick Gavony Township.
p1p11: Hate-draft reanimator cards: Angel of Serenity.
p1p12: I have nothing I want to blink yet, and multiple four drops all ready, so I pick Soulfire Grandmaster.
p1p13: Solemn Offering or Spear of Heliod? Ok, Spear.
p1p14: Wildfire.
p1p15: Huh. A Taiga! Looking for more incidental fixing so I can activate Yasova and Soulfire?

p2p1: Well, Lotus Cobra certainly fits that bill, I pick it over Imposing Sovereign and Mutagenic Growth.
p2p2: Courser of Kruphix over Steppe Lynx. Wait, was this the cube with free fetches? Eh.
p2p3: Collected Company seems more fun than the multitude of safe picks here (Steppe Lynx, Voice of Resurgence, Temple Garden).
p2p4: Grafted Wargear has always been nuts in my cube, before I cut it. I think it's better than Rancor or Blade Splicer.
p2p5: Mirror Entity is an awesome anthem though!
p2p6: I checked quickly, there are indeed free fetchlands. Tireless Tracker it is then!
p2p7: That means Volt Charge should be easy to splash then!
p2p8: Ehm... I guess I'll hate draft Toxic Deluge rather than pick Ethersworn Cannonist?
p2p9: Hmm... Mutagenic Growth.
p2p10: Hallowed Fountain fixes Yasova and Soulfire perfectly fine!
p2p11: Mayor of Avabruck and Voice of Resurgence are cool and all, but they don't hit as hard as Steppe Lynx!
p2p12: Vengevine?
p2p13: Shit, I should have picked Imperial Recruiter! Ah well, picking Red Sun's Zenith here.
p2p14: And Cataclysm.
p2p15: Life from the Loam.

p3p1: Nothing I'm too happy about. Magma Jet I guess?
p3p2: Ajani, Caller of the Pride is good with Cataclysm!
p3p3: Should we do this? There's another Cataclysm! Ok, I'm in!
p3p4: Flickerwisp wears equipment well!
p3p5: Declaration in Stone vs. Scavenging Ooze. I count my critters, just 11. I got some red removal which I can easily splash, so I'm picking the Ooze.
p3p6: Uh. Containment Priest hoses reanimator, and turns Flickerwisp into hard removal. Picking it!
p3p7: Alright, I'll pick up one of these Vengevines!
p3p8: Ok, I'm down with another Lynx.
p3p9: Wrath of God sucks for us.
p3p10: But Vryn Wingmare is okay-ish.
p3p11: Alesha, Who Smiles at Death is an awesome splash, however!
p3p12: Adventuring Gear I guess?
p3p13: Xathrid Necromancer?
p3p14: Jori En, Ruin Diver?
p3p15: Poor Manic Vandal, you can sleep in my sideboard buddy!

Draft: http://www.cubetutor.com/humandraftpicks/e33cb48a-8ae9-419f-8def-a1c2cf8d5b91

With two Cataclysms maindeck, I decide against maindecking Mirror Entity and Crucible, because Crucible is awesome with fetches, Cataclysms, KotR and in general. KorR is going to be huuuuuge!

Onderzeeboot's Naya Cataclysm from CubeTutor.com










Splashing red should be easy, and I'm not too vulnerable to Wasteland because of all the fetches. This is a pretty fast list with some nasty Cataclysmic midgames! :)
 

Aoret

Developer
p3p6: Uh. Containment Priest hoses reanimator, and turns Flickerwisp into hard removal. Picking it!
mind blown. drafted yours, but CT blew up when I tried to save it. Screencap and draft report in the spoilers:
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brainstorm over cataclysm, epochrasite. Epoch would go into any deck but brainstorm is likely stronger. taking my chances
kitchen finks over figure of destiny, sygg, murk lurker (is this card good enough?)
we have options. rushing river? too low power. Keiga? commits too much to a lategame deck. Ojutai exemplars gets along with my brainstorm and my finks. Less strong than dark confidant though... Picking the exemplars
hmmm are we jeskai? hard for me to pass jori en. I like her a lot. red looks open, blue doesn't. taking seaside campfire and if I wheel the jori I can probably play her and be that deck.
woah okay blue is open nevermind. Izzet charm, kira, shelldock isle (!) incursion specialist, dack's duplicate. It's gotta be kira right?
stormchaser mage over sacred foundry, boros reckoner, scorching pool. ouch
how long can I keep picking cars over fixing? abbot of keral keep over vale of dust. Maybe I just won't play my white cards?
firebolt over perilous myr
epochrasite is still in the pack. wtf? at this point we're all about veteran chronarch though. Sad about not getting dimensional infiltrator
firedrinker satyr over figure of destiny :( sorry figure!
gore-house chainwalker
stormkirk noble is probably better than avg in our deck since we can probably bounce/burn stuff out of the way (noting that we need to take the right cards for this plan to work)
incursion specialist over dack's duplicate, we need need need to get the spells to support this deck, but we definitely have a solid base
hate yavimaya hollow
I dont think pyro's assault is good enough even though we're that deck :( lightning strike over clutch of currents because burn can kill people at 3 life and bounce can't. Leaving nahiri and needle spires in the pack. Also passing figure and goblin rabblemaster
bonesplitter
recurring dream is sweet! I love drafting this cube just to look at cool customs :D incinerate over radiant flames is the pick. passing heelcutter and it'd be sweet to get it back
ugh! jhoira's command or hellrider? or porcelain legionnaire? I choose command but I dunno if i'm right...
DDDD: delver or sin prodder? I think it's sin prodder but man is this painful
okay this is just stupid brutal. Brainstorm or misfire adept? Or frostburn weird or seaside campfire? Brainstorm obviously but man. rough!
volt charge. erryday.
sower of temptation great four drop for us.
Even with two brainstorm I dont think we hve the cantrip density to make pyro's assault good and that's sort of a bummer :(
figure of destiny is probably just a bad 2/2 in our deck. If a game goes really late maybe he's a 4/4. I'll take it though
outpost siege probably too expensive and slow for our deck. potentially cool engine with this and the pyro's but I dunno what deck can afford to take two turns off to cast four mana enchants
hate recurring dream because we actually can't beat it
great teacher's decree is sick if we did want to splash (but we have no fixing and wont)
weapon's trainer whatever
misfire adept, oddly less mana intensive than the frostburn weird
cloudfin raptor might be good enough? or creature count is so-so
elctrolyze over devour intellect, skin invasion, arid mesa
gelectrode over jhessian thief, zealous conscripts. ZC might be the better reach option but I kinda wanna go all in on our plan
chasm skulker over rise from the tides
boros charm
war name aspirant is a lady who can attack I guess?
good lord. two super sick customs. Dancing Dagger or Fiery Wisps? they both kinda seem OP. I pick Wisps.
wandering fumarole over venser SS, nucklavee, blinding drone.
zurgo ballstriker
skin invasion
zealous conscripts. insane pickup this late
rise from the tides. There go my ambitions of playing too few lands.
I dunno, hate out lark?
hate from under the floorboards?
blighted cataract probably makes our deck actually
blinding drone probably can't since I xcan't activate it reliably enough :( shoulda been better about taking fixing.
 

Onderzeeboot

Ecstatic Orb
mind blown. drafted yours, but CT blew up when I tried to save it. Screencap and draft report in the spoilers:
That's a bug in CT. Despite what it says, it has still saved your deck. Three times actually, I guess you used the browser back button and tried to save it again a few times ;) http://www.cubetutor.com/cubedeck/526518;jsessionid=6CE42D36E0C6B2315500964C0C52A91D

My cube does not lend itself well for an export to a forum decklist anyway, because of all the customs :)

Thanks for the draft! I guess the first strike on Dancing Dagger is kinda over the top, doesn't it? Maybe I have to tweak that. Fiery Wisps is a Volcanic Hammer or Arc Trail with suspend 1 - {1}{R}, which I'm perfectly fine with. Doesn't seem OP to me! It does help the cast two spells in a turn mini theme, but I guess the red part in that theme does not play well. I should probably customize that card. Would that card be playable or OP at {1}{R}{R}?
 
Drafted Aoret's cube.
P1p1 Arlinn Kord. Just really like here, so much flavor and in my favorite color combination. Also Fauna Shaman, Zealous Conscripts, Stomping Ground and Voice of Resurgence in the pack so any of those would be fine to wheel.
p2 Taiga. Immediately some fixing which is good to see as well as more green and red cards. I'm committing to this hard already but I see some potential of cards in red/green wheeling so I'll just go with this. There's still time to change.
p3 Gift of Gaea. Some fixing and ramp, which is nice if I want to go 3 colors (?) or more into ramp strategy.
p4 Collected Company. Well this is nice, RG stompy could be really sweet.
p5 Abbot of Keral Keep. Nice tempo card which would work well in RG stompy.
p6 Rancor. Very happy with my choice so far! Hard to let Strangleroot Geist go though.
p7 Young Pyromancer. Starting to look nice, and both green and red are really open.
p8 Detention Sphere. Just hate picking, nothing in my colors at all (almost all white cards, maybe splashing?)
p9 Stomping Ground. It's hard to let Voice of Resurgence go but I'm sticking with Gruul for now.
p10 Kitchen Finks. Can grab it with CoCo and is just overall sweet.
p11 Goblin Heelcutter. Not sure if I want to play it, probably not.
p12 Lightning Helix. Really thinking of splashing white actually so this is not a bad pickup.
p13 Solemn Offering
p14 Brutal Expulsion
p15 Savannah. Some fixing for white as a last pickup, nice.

P2p1 Collected Company. Sweet! Strategy is all set now.
p2 Chandra, Pyromaster. It was between this and Mark of Mutiny, which can be a really nice finisher for the deck. However, maybe having another value card is more appropriate right now, and chances are that Mark will wheel.
p3 Song of the Dryads. Some removal, sweet.
p4 Mox Diamond. Picked over Nissa, Voice of Zendikar which may be wrong but it's just so strong. Green is still very open, maybe it wheels?
p5 Duskwatch Recruiter. Vengevine is in here too, but I'm not sure if my curve has to be higher since I have quite a few 4's already.
p6 Garruk Relentless. Only card in the pack for us and pretty sweet one too.
p7 Yasova Dragonclaw. NICE! Fits the deck/strategy perfectly and one my own pet cards.
p8 Volt Charge. Direct damage will do fine.
p9 Magus of the Wheel. Could be nice for us, not sure about it though.
p10 Quirion Dryad. Could work but I think it's not good enough.
p11 Wrath of God. Better get that out of the way.
p12 Angel of Serenity. That too.
p13 Quasali Pridemage. Picked it over Vengevine (again left out </3). Fits the deck better and if I'm splashing white then this should be great.
p14 Overgrown Tomb.
p15 Anathemancer.

P3p1 Wild Nacatl. Sweet 1-drop for our deck in Naya colors, besides being the only pick in the pack.
p2 Boon Satyr. It's hard to leave out Primeval Titan but Satyr is way better for the deck. Guessing it won't wheel.
p3 Scavenging Ooze. Some very good cards in this pack like Abbot nr. 2 and Inferno Titan (although too high CMC).
p4 Knight of the Relinquary. Great card for our deck.
p5 Eternal Witness. Awesome card to see here, some 'draw' on a stick is always nice in a tempo deck.
p6 Purphoros God of the Forge. Wow there are some great 4 drops in my list now, not sure which ones to play or not. Maybe it becomes more tempo/midrange?
p7 Lightning Bolt. Why is this still in here??
p8 Become Immense. It's just too good in this deck, although there were 4 or 5 great cards in here.
p9 Alesha, Who Smiles at Death. Awesome!
p10 Whisperwood Elemental. Nice curve topper, not sure still if I'll play it.
p11 Abbot of Keral Keep. It wheeled! Just too good.
p12 Falkenrath Aristocrat.
p13 Maelstrom Pulse.
p14 Tezzeret.
p15 Wildfire.
Holy smokes, so many good cards for this kind of deck! Not sure what the strategy will be, to keep things below 4 cmc for CoCo's or bet a more midrange deck and profit of the very high card quality.
The outcome of this really enjoyable draft: a sweet Naya stompy deck with some great card quality. This stuff is right up my alley, and I really enjoy what you did with the green section in your cube! It's versatile and has a lot of cross synergies with the subthemes in the cube. Also, the deck becomes a lot more playable with the 4-of fetches that come with the cube, which is really sweet and I got to pick up some of the duals to fetch which is great. Decided on running 16 lands + mox diamond, but that should be fine with only four 4-mana cards I think. Good stuff!
 
Drafted MDT12's cube. I tried Screencast-O-Matic for the video recording. It added a watermark, but came out okay. I need to find some better software and learn how to use it.

Video link


I first picked Battlesphere (maybe not the best choice) and tried drafting a controllish reanimator. I'm not sure that's really viable with the low number of reanimate effects in the cube, but I did get a decent amount of digging to find my Animate Dead, and Hedron Archive into a 6-7 drop is good.

I haven't updated my cube since my initial SOI tests because it's hard to get the group together these days, but I did just adjust power level on some of the customs, so I'm interested to see how it goes.
 

Aoret

Developer
Fiery Wisps is a Volcanic Hammer or Arc Trail with suspend 1 - {1}{R}, which I'm perfectly fine with. Doesn't seem OP to me! It does help the cast two spells in a turn mini theme, but I guess the red part in that theme does not play well. I should probably customize that card. Would that card be playable or OP at {1}{R}{R}?

Ahh, okay so I was thinking along the lines of actually suspending it for more mana and using it to clean up numerous x/1 creatures. But now that I'm thinking about it more, if I really wanted to do that I'd just wrath or something right? It does gain some from the versatility (being a shock than can arc trail or be a bad wrath), but I think you're probably right it isn't too OTT.

Draft of psyl4mne's:
http://www.cubetutor.com/cubedeck/527670
I don't think maelstrom wave templating works. Would have to think a bit on how to word the effect you want. Picking wildfire over mystic confluence, porcelain legionnaire
bolt
abyssal persectuor over archangel avacyn, scuttling doom engine, YP
chandra pyromaster
toxic deluge
ash zealot
ajani V
daretti not sure if playing it
vindicate
relentless dead
badlands
everythying is super off color. savannah.
magmatic insight
boros charm
martial coup. really want W/x fixing now
solemn simulacrum over clifftop retreat
worn powerstone
lily HH
greater gargadon over dreadbore, sulfurous springs, hyppie
char over grim lavamancer, unsure if that's right
incinerate over pia and kiran, priest of the blood rite. that one hurt
feldon
magma jet <3
wrath, ugh our mana sucks still
rootbound crag? nothing for us :/
obzedat, uncastable
dreadbore AND welder came back? I still haven't found anything to weld or any good way to chuck it in the yard. dreadbore.
grim lavamiser
tidehollow sculler for the white splash we aren't doing
gideon's lawkeeper
marsh flats over dismember, city of brash, gideon AoZ, chainer's edict
scrubland over bonfire
needle spires are we getting there?
sorin LoI
lightning strike out of a loaded pack
searing spear... shoulda taken something else last pack :(
ugh very little for us. zealous conscripts?
blast from the past
precursor golem I guess?
freaking BONFIRE came back? awesome!
rolling earthquake. wraths and walkers plan is a go.
avalanche riders
hm.. lightning helix over magus of the wheel this might be wrong
fiend hunter
raging ravine
 
Come on guys, keep this thread going. A lot of members are not participating now. It does not have to be quite as elaborate as some have done, but a small outline of the draft and the deck will do. Keeping this alive will help understanding each other's cubes, their good and bad elements.
 
I can only speak for myself, but when this thread first got started, I did quite a few drafts because its pretty entertaining to blindly go through peoples' cubes. However, I don't actually have a cube that people can draft which sorta disrupts the flow of things. I can start doing more drafts again, but I don't want to represent every third comment in the thread.

Also, I could see how if people aren't actively working on their cube, or don't need more data, they'd be less inclined to post here.
 

Aoret

Developer
Come on guys, keep this thread going. A lot of members are not participating now. It does not have to be quite as elaborate as some have done, but a small outline of the draft and the deck will do. Keeping this alive will help understanding each other's cubes, their good and bad elements.

If nothing else, the handful of us who have been doing a bunch can keep ping-ponging these back and forth. I know I need more data. I'm only just starting to see patterns emerge and I'm not sure whether I should draw strong conclusions about them yet.

http://www.cubetutor.com/cubedeck/531816

evolutionary leap over solemn, pristine talisman, drana, other good cards
llanowar elves over terastodon, primal command, noting numerous red cards, 0 in black.
still a billion red cards, no black, no blue, some white. Flamewake phoenix is my flier of choice over bird of paradise, though it pains me to not get to bop people
really good black cards now wtf? ainok survivalist is so-so but is on color. searing blood is too hard to cast. not ready to dip into white yet though there are good options
god. Alesha or epochrasite? I guess epochrasite doesn't make it mandatory that I draft fixing? he's my dude then!
burning tree emissary over ash zealot, I have no fixing
hammer of purphoros is perfect for us!
mana confluence over firedrinker satyr
cinder glade over arbor elf
jungle shrine over plated geopede, naturalize
outpost siege is attractive but I can't just play a bunch of cards that do nothing, karmic guide has a higher ceiling than the random red beaters left in the pack
sure I'll take searing blood now
clifftop retreat over gruul turf. I think we want to be more aggressive than bouncelands will cater to, and I'd like to play karmic guide.
dromoka
nantuko shade
needle spires over coco, overwhelming stampede. still concerned I don't have enough actual action
stirring wildwood over stp, chameleon colossus, now we can play whatever naya stuff we want.
...okay maybe not consul's lieutenant. picking yeva.
raise the alarm seems dope since we can potentially trade half of it for a card or make sort of a crappy mulldrifter out of it
hmm.. the bots to our left aren't in black either because it's all we're seeing. seeker of the way can turn sideways for us, but not much else :/
bonesplitter is going to be exceptional for us
so many friggin WW cards. Precinct captain is better than KotWO so he's in.
dryad militant over perilous myr, scute mob, GW temple
huh... suddenly we're a GW deck? we saw so much red that we passed too much of it I guess? mardu woe reaper
dragon fodder I'm bout it
consul's lieutenant
mold shambler
we're so not playing this slagstorm.
I think village messenger is reeeeally shitty, but I don't think we can run spear of heliod even though it's good with our tokens. Too many cards that just support our (not enough) creatures.
steam vents for that sick brainstorm splash
hordeling outburst. kinda regretting not taking the spear.
oh god yes. Yasova dragonclaw erryday.
armada wurm
gather the townsfolk, wow I'm a dumbass for not taking spear.
high sentinels of arashin over rak cack
conclave naturalists
banishing light over silverblade paladin. I need interaction.
condemn, sideboard material for if something really weird happens I guess?
madcap skills... dunno
soldier of the pantheon
avatar of the resolute, so many CC cards
tajic, blade of the legion
aurelia's fury. dunno about this card
skaab clan berserker
acorder paladin
 
Think I did Aoret's cube last time around. Let's see...

CoCo over Inferno Titan, Battlesphere. Titan is probably the right pick but I want to try CoCo.
Knight of the Reliquary over Steppe Lynx, Flickerwisp, Wargear. White has the best CoCo support and I don't like Steppe Lynx without fetches. Skaab Ruinator is a cute CoCo target, but not good enough in general.
Champion of the Parish over Thalia, Spiritkeeper. WG has humans.
Bloodsoaked Champion, nothing great in WG
Parish #2 over Witness, Cradle. Not sure if this is right.
Fabled Hero over Heartwood Storyteller. Human and more generally useful.
Strangleroot Geist over Carrion Feeder. Hopefully won't need to play black.
Condemn from a pack full of red cards
Quirion Dryad over Bonesplitter
Flickerwisp over Steppe Lynx
Thalia
Blood Crypt, Magus of the Wheel, Eternity Elixir, Taiga late picks
Fencing Ace over Galepowder Mage because CoCo and human
CoCo #2 over Mayor. Shame those were together but I need CoCo
Resto over Loyal Cathar, Song of the Dryads
Banisher Priest over Gavony, Imposing Sovereign. Tough call but it fits the curve and synergizes
Tireless Tracker over Scavenging Ooze
Quirion Dryad #2. Don't love it but we can probably grow it decently
Temple Garden over Duskwatch Recruiter, Steppe Lynx. Fixing is in short supply here
Nissa Voice of Zendikar over Become Immense.
Flesh Carver
Mayor wheeled!
Cataclysm. Don't think we can use it.
Gavony came back, Sovereign didn't.
Boon Satyr over Vengevine
Hallowed Burial, Feldon late
Experiment One over Warden of the First Tree. Think we can grow it to 3 fast enough.
Hierarch over Mox Diamond
Gravecrawler, nothing in GW
Savannah over Qasali, Song of the Dryads, little Ajani
Mirror Entity over Steppe Lynx. Close call but the finisher is nice
Nacatl over Gift of Gaea
Steppe Lynx
Voice of Resurgence over Whisperwood, Sublime. Stacked pack.
Warden of the First Tree over Wingmare
Mox Diamond over Pack Guardian
Gitrog
Qasali over Managorger
Terminus, Noyan Dar, Cruel Ultimatum

Ended up with 19 CoCo targets and 13 Humans. Here's the deck:


Edit: Completely missed the "free 4-of fetches/wastelands" part. That makes the Lynxes make way more sense. I probably would have taken Lynxes over Mirror Entity and Flickerwisp and run them, also cutting Warden. Would probably run 1-2 Wasteland too, and drop the Mox because of the Lynxes. So something like:

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Aoret

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Think I did Aoret's cube last time around. Let's see...

Edit: Completely missed the "free 4-of fetches/wastelands" part. That makes the Lynxes make way more sense. I probably would have taken Lynxes over Mirror Entity and Flickerwisp and run them, also cutting Warden. Would probably run 1-2 Wasteland too, and drop the Mox because of the Lynxes. So something like:

Really enjoyed this write-up. Nice to see such a strong direction in your draft too, I guess part of that is the number of times you've seen my cube now. I don't usually get to see decks like this since most of my drafters aren't experienced enough to really grok this stuff (and my good players don't need to really try in order to still win, so they just play 4c value piles). A couple questions based on your draft and others that I'm seeing, would love to hear your thoughts as well as anybody else's.

  1. I'm seeing a lot of CoCo decks. Is it because they're just really fun? Do my bots (somehow) still value CoCo too low (possibly due to algorithm reasons?) I guess it's not really a problem as I haven't found CoCo to be oppressive.
  2. I'm also seeing lots and lots of GW. Is my GW too strong? The bots always wheel all of the GW gold cards to any drafter in the pairing and all three that I run are incredible (though I may be overrating pridemage a bit)
  3. Is four steppe lynx too many? I kinda when HAM on them just to see if it was OTT when I did the fetchland thing. I guess my beef is that all of the 2/1s I could run are so friggin boring. I might be okay with gideon, but I sorta dislike the indestructible. Thoughts?
  4. Are the quirion dryads and managorger hydras stupid? I threw them in to see if I could bleed spell velocity ( :rolleyes: ) decks into green, but it seems like if I'm in green I just don't want these cards, and if I'm in spell velocity, I don't want to be in green. They also do +1/+1 counter stuff, but the only real support I'm running there is another suspect card in cytoplast root kin as well as a pair of volt charges (which I love and am never cutting).
 
  1. I think you are seeing a lot of CoCo just because it's fun, and it is nice to have that early direction in the draft. The bots might also be undervaluing the card and the support. I've found it to be good but not oppressive in my group, but your cube has proportionally much more fuel for it than mine. I'd keep an eye on it.
  2. I think your GW is in line with the rest of the cube, but it is the best color pair for CoCo (see above).
  3. Four Lynx is probably okay, but the cubetutor AIs will hugely undervalue them because the fetches are not there. Might still be a little odd in a real draft, but it's just up to your aesthetic sense. Balance-wise I'd say it's fine.
  4. I run Managorger just because it's a cute card and a decent beater. I wouldn't double up on it or run Quirion Dryads. The decks with spell velocity just don't want to run green. You could try to make them with the four gro creatures, but it's not really going to end well for them. Even with those cards, I don't think Root-Kin is going to do much. Volt Charge is cool, a little overcosted but awesome when it's actually relevant.
Throwing in a draft of Aston's cube:

Recurring Nightmare over Sword of W&P, PtE
Frost Titan over Inferno Titan, Sensei's. Blue suppors Recurring well.
LotV, about the best card I could see.
Living Death over Price, Shadowmage. Not sure if we're playing blue, and I love Living Death.
Enclave Cryptologist over Duplicant, Condescend.
Bloodghast over TfK, Shelldock. Good with the self-discard we have.
Downfall over Bloodsoaked, Nighthawk, Nezumi. Think it's just the better card.
Aetherling over Lodestone.
Smother over Geralf's. Probably can't pay BBB.
Wildfire
Duress over Diregraf.
Shadowmage came back.
Gatekeeper of Malakir over Trading Post. Maybe play if it we get lots of fixing.
Abbot, Nezumi.
JTMS.
FOF over Demonic, Griselbrand. Not sure if this is right. Great with Living Death, good with our instant speed stuff.
Norn over Sower of Temptation, Gravecrawler
Brainstorm over Jar. Hope we see some fetches.
Watery Grave over Braids.
Phantasmal Image, Aether Adept, Kozilek, Delver, Griselbrand as easy picks.
BSZ over Gravecrawler, no Zombies yet.
Carrion Feeder. Oops, should have remembered that was going around.
Isamaru, SGC, SotL
Animate Dead over Skullclamp. We don't really have clamp fodder.
Polluted Delta over Psychatog, Batterskull. This feels weird but we have good late game and we need the shuffle + fixing.
Bitterblossom over Ritual, Sword of L&S
Mortarpod as RN fodder
Xathrid
Evolving Wilds over Bob, Bone Shredder, Venser.
City of Brass over Nether Traitor, Makeshift Mannequin. We're okay for playables.
Exhume
Disciple of Bolas over Arena, not sure about this one.
Psychatog over Whirler. Fun combo with Disciple of Bolas, and good with our grave filling.
Ritual came back. Unexpected.
Overgrown Tomb, Keldon Marauders, dead picks.
Skirsdag over Angel of Serenity. We have enough fatties and the engine could come in handy. Wrong pick in retrospect, we can't support Skirsdag and Angel may be an upgrade over Kozilek.

Here's the deck:
 

Aoret

Developer
http://www.cubetutor.com/cubedeck/532288

deck is weird and good and cool. I built out my first version of it as this sort of aggressive midrange tokens thing. The card quality is so outrageous though that it could easily sideboard into several other builds. I dig it.

phyrexian metamorph, easy noncommital pick
skullclamp is generically good
RW seems open-ish, blade splicer works with what we have. I'm gonna pick precursor golem and keep looking at signals
thalia. white is open.
gideon jura. red looks open too which im noting
silverblade paladin over monastery mentor because he and thalia hate each other :(
angelic destiny, althoguh allegedly we're on the not-prowess plan.
time to not be mono-white. inferno titan over dark confidant
incinerate over char
fiend hunter
purphoros
hate supreme verdict?
act of aggression.. ral is still in this pack damn!
disenchant, happy to let you sit in my sb
burning of xinye same
goblin guide
kytheon
spectral procession over boros charm
dryad militant in a really light pack for our colors
mardu woe-repear over sulfuric vortex (damn it thalia....)
brimstone volley (thaliaaaaaa)
ajani vengeant (should've taken the damn monastery mentor :(((( )
rak cack
accorder paladin over comeuppance, YP
mishra's fact
boros charm
hate living death I guess?
pillage not sure taht I'd maindeck though
wild nacatl would suck to fight with this deck
necropotence is undervalued by the bots I think
not the best pack. marsh flats.
honestly our deck has plenty of playables so immediate action naming kytheon
BSA
hellrider
alesha
ouch. hallowed spiritkeeper or bonesplitter? spiritkeeper I guess D:
huge pack! needle spires over soltari champ, grim lavamancer, stormblood berseker. I'm factoring in opportunity cost here since I can surely run this card, but the others push out quality at this point.
arc trail
shit I dunno... leonin relic warder over karmic guide I guess?
staggershock
lodestone golem over zurgo. Gives us tricky weird sideboard tech
goblin bombardment
chandra fok
CoCo
stormblood zerk
 
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