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As hard as a suuuuper open ended question can be, definitely a useful and constructive answer. I've thought about the twister, and might still, but for now adding these beauts to my mental picture: spikeshot eldersudden demiserolling earthquake Thoughts on demise? Saw it in my binder and fits...

1. Do you have any ideas on what other routes can be taken to make that fork in the road more clear? Are there 4-5cmc doods that can work in beatdown, but favor the slow road? Is there a different type of card you would rather see? This point interests me tremendously, as the color pairing would...

wild-field scarecrow Isn't this... a "fixed" armillary sphere? One more mana for a decent front end, and the same exact ability out the back? Seems solid for control of all kinds... Also may be of interest for a certain project around here :)

mulch v. gather the pack? My guess would be towards gather cuz we are loading up on land-get tools?

I have almost all of these exact cards or analogies in my cube! Very cool, and conveniently applies to what I am trying to do :). The standout card that I'm adding to my core list: nissa's pilgrimage I can see exactly why it's in the list, and it has a 100% parallel to what this archetype wants...

I like the suggestion of the Acid-Moss :). One of the major points of this thread is to try and improve the consistency of the RG control (not ramp necessarily) variant. I think a lot of pieces have appeared that help the cause out a little each. Chief among them Vortex, Pulse, and the Pack...

So I refocused down to trying to generate an Archtype, a unique control angle for {R}{G} to take that's not "Monsters". I still like the RUG deck, but wanted to build a core that actually stands on it's own before I get back to thinking about cooler things. I do love all the discussion around...

So many sweet things talked about in this thread, so much to process so little time! :). I really appreciate the call to refocus the approach, and I really like the more "disciplined" approaches being looked at too! I've got so much to mentally sort through, which is incredible. One little pup...

There'll be some updates coming along to my cube, which has become the testbed of the ideas of this thread (maybe not surprising). I like a lot of the ideas you're bringing up grillo, I just have to fight through a lot of ingrained notions on my end. From what I've learned so far, this deck...

This analysis makes me a little sad inside :(. But maybe that's ok. It does seem like a... difficult deck to ever decide to draft, and I think that's one of the problems with gifts ungiven, is the cards it goes with and the decks it spawns are very unintuitive. Oh well.

I've been starting in on these, and other from 3-0 and venny's list. So far the list is performing at least on par with stuff, which makes me happy. Unfortunately, drafting this deck is quickly becoming impossible from cubetutor, because I picked out certain cards so highly to start with. I feel...

Yeah courser of kruphix is a pretty important component to the deck, I think. I played Sultai Courser control back in Theros-Khans, and it was integral. Running a gauntlet sounds like a pretty good idea! Now to gather together some decks... (and to find the missing pieces I have) Thanks a...

I like that the ability related to cycling actually matches with the cycling color! Good job Robot. If that had said simply "counter target spell." I'd be all in.

Since it seems like {G} is the predominate color for this (which makes me super happy, cuz non-U-centric control = life), let's look at some pieces of the pie that help Green slow things down, not speed them up: obstinate Balothdeadly reclusewall of blossomsambush viper Any other's that I'm...

Here's another test deck thrown together. Got the gifts this time! Whddya all think? Is this seeming feasible? The deck looks like it would be at least decent in my format. www.cubetutor.com/cubedeck/521299[/url]"] Ones 1 Lightning Axe 1 Molten Vortex 1 Repeal Twos 1 Life from the Loam 1...

It may be "dated", but can be worked with, if the individual disseminations lead to helping existing archetypes (aka strong on their own). Punishing fire is fine on it's own, for instance, and punishes, har har, incidental lifegain. This, then, tangentially helps the kinda turn and burn aggro my...

Every "archetype" we talk about is more like a theme, if we are being perfectly honest. "GB reanimator" encompasses a huge umbrella of strategies, methods of execution, speeds, etc. This is an archetype in that it's one unique way to utilize and enable a wedge, a series of same-thinking schemes...

Black is definitely the strong fourth color for this deck. I think there is a different angle on it that's {R}{G}{B}/{U}, with blue for Gifts. This opens up a lot of different strategies from black, like the recursion engine centered around: goblin bombardmentcarrion feeder I like Unearth in...

and here's the discussion as it was happening in the make control cooler thread: Crucible of Worlds would be a fantastic card in this deck, and could give me enough reason to try it out in my cube. Dunno. Waking up to this post was a fantastic way to start my day! :D. Thanks for the kind...

Continuing on my development of this concept, I'm going to talk about some of the unique individual card interactions that can happen, even without it being pieces or parts of some engine. The whole deck plan is predicated on gathering up advantage at every turn, so we've gotta make the best of...