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FlowerSunRain
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Common bond can target the same creature twice, while Reap what is sown can't.
That said in beta. . .
That said in beta. . .
CML
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VibeBox
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Can anyone with Photoshop skills make me a "Build-a-Baneslayer Workshop" logo (build a bear style) with Vault Skirge in the middle?
Now I'm wishing I had Photoshop. Give it a ribbon too!
CML
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I could, but I will only do so if someone shops Marrow Bats and Homicidal Seclusion morphing into "Ghetto Griselbrand"
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/76090691230/if-infect-was-barely-used-in-standard-why-would-you
i guess vaguely related to what spawned "the poison principle"
i guess vaguely related to what spawned "the poison principle"
I like how infect is considered an "alternate win condition" when it's combat damage a vast majority of the time. Sure someone might give you a poison counter than proliferate you to death, and that's very similar to mill, but come on...
Edit: Thank you for the discussion and reading my post. The opinions and ideas everyone: Flower, James, CML, Changeling, Pineapple, Chris, Eric and Jason have presented have been digested and reflected upon. I concede that it does not improve the situation to not speak out about bad aspects of the general MTG culture/community or the habits and practices that encourage and foster it. And there is catharsis, laughs, and solutions to be found from venting with others. There is much to explore and expand upon yours and my ideas but I'm going to duck out.
You're damn right that isn't the sort of traffic we want. The last thing anybody wants is attracting a crowd whose idea of community is masturbating over nonconstructive and senseless shared hatred; I learned that on my first day here when I fired a shot at MTGS. The public figures we slander will catch wind of something like that and an army of white knights will descend on this place. A person can go ahead and insult or criticize people in private, they may thank you for it later, but when you do it in public they and others will think you mean it and take offense even if your complaints are legitimate.
For all the Magic community's impressions that there's some rivalry between various online stores and their sponsored players, regardless if it exists or not the official public reality is that there is no such feud beyond normal business competition. An article posted here would get you fired from CFB as they would have to distance themselves from you, the administrator of the site that hosted the article and presumably the person who approved it.
There was a circlejerk earlier over how impotent MTGS users were at reviewing Born of the Gods candidates for Cube. We don't need to do that and we certainly don't need to call out writers especially when it is your reputation that will be the ultimate casualty; most of us here are shielded by our anonymity or lack of reputation attached to our real name.
You're damn right that isn't the sort of traffic we want. The last thing anybody wants is attracting a crowd whose idea of community is masturbating over nonconstructive and senseless shared hatred; I learned that on my first day here when I fired a shot at MTGS. The public figures we slander will catch wind of something like that and an army of white knights will descend on this place. A person can go ahead and insult or criticize people in private, they may thank you for it later, but when you do it in public they and others will think you mean it and take offense even if your complaints are legitimate.
For all the Magic community's impressions that there's some rivalry between various online stores and their sponsored players, regardless if it exists or not the official public reality is that there is no such feud beyond normal business competition. An article posted here would get you fired from CFB as they would have to distance themselves from you, the administrator of the site that hosted the article and presumably the person who approved it.
There was a circlejerk earlier over how impotent MTGS users were at reviewing Born of the Gods candidates for Cube. We don't need to do that and we certainly don't need to call out writers especially when it is your reputation that will be the ultimate casualty; most of us here are shielded by our anonymity or lack of reputation attached to our real name.
It's more likely to drive traffic for fanboys coming to tell us how stupid we are.
Oh right.
Oh right.
I mostly agree, but I'm going to hop on this one:
MTGS deserves it. They try and set themselves up as the source of all things magic discussion, and have a huge cube forum, but their ideas and logic are naive and simplistic in the extreme. There's no kind of design going on, just jamming things that are powerful because hey that's what it's about, right? We pretty much have set ourselves up being everything MTGS isn't. If there wasn't some checking that we're doing the opposite of MTGS every now and then, I'd say we're in trouble.
CML
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Eh, I disagree on almost all points. First of all, don't we fire shots at MTGS and Usman et al. all the time, to good results? Isn't fearing a backlash from people who don't matter the worst possible reason not to do something? I spend a lot of time playing paper Magic and meeting and talking to its people, from the bottom to (well, kinda near) the top; I've had to slog my way through swamps of White Knights, and my best guess is that those guys would bitch in their own universe; it's hard to imagine they'd deign to dirty their non-existent popularity contest in this sweet forum.
I also take issue with the idea that to call things what they are is a poor idea, when the worst aspect of the MTG community is unquestionably a bullshit pretense towards professionalism -- which leads to, uh, bad writing, as well as the kinds of autos-da-fe you'll see on MTGS but not here. In one way, sure, it's not constructive, as it's senseless to expect the White Knights or the terrible writers to change; their resistance to criticism is fairly close to absolute. But if you show people this is true, or find people who realize this truth, then the sweeter people might come here seeking an alternative to the typical culture; let everyone else debate EDH banlists and pop boners for functional reprints; who cares? We're not trying to save them.
As for reputation, it's a complicated topic. If I were nicer more people would like me, but I might not like them or myself all that much, so maybe it wouldn't be worth it, but maybe it would be, up to a point; this kind of complex analysis is so essential to playing MTG well and yet so depressingly absent from how MTG people think about other MTG people. Not saying what's on your mind, to be clear, is the opposite of a solution. I am indebted to you for articulating the idea that having any kind of MTG reputation makes it impossible to criticize anyone in public. What you somehow fail to realize is what an incredibly awful thing this is for Magic, and that what distinguishes this site from MTGS and the Mothership, etc., culturally, is a resistance to that -- not defining in opposition to that, which would amount to more or less the same thing, but an indifference. Who cares?
What I'm trying to argue is that if people think awful things about the status quo of Magic in private, which they do, they might want to do so in public; otherwise, we could talk about singleton 720s on the Salvation forums 'til the cows come home. Many on this site have told me of their disregard for mainstream Magic culture, and, unsurprisingly to me, there's a lot less overall negativity here than there is on actually every mainstream Magic site. An article about the top 8 worst Magic writers could be a part of that, and it could encourage others who feel the same way to be a part of that. It could even be light-hearted! For example, if you're going to argue that bad writing can be ignored and writing about bad writing can't be ignored, then you might as well come out and say more explicitly the common MTG sentiment that bad things re less bad than calling bad things bad, which is comedy gold.
That you assume it would amount to "masturbating to hatred" is so incredibly superficial; why must something calling something else bad -- which would be the opposite of slander in this case, even by UK standards! -- be based on "hate," even? I'm not on some crusade against the philistines here, having tossed the idea out there due to boredom and a desire to provoke a discussion a little lighter and much less meta than this, and if nobody likes the idea, or Wadds's hands are tied, I wouldn't care that much, though I realize the length of my post here invites accusations of disingenuousness. Blah blah blah in conclusion the times in my life when I've been unhappiest have been the times when I pretended awful things weren't awful; where would we be if we hadn't said the Modo Cube was awful? Where are all the other people who think it's awful? Would they like to hang out with us? And if they don't want to, who cares? It could be a bad idea, I realize, but I think it's well worth a try.
Dude just cool it. This shouldn't be on riptidelab. If you wanna write it do what Jason said and put it somewhere where it's clear that "CML thinks this" not "Riptidelab thinks this". I would totally read it because it sounds entertaining, but I don't think it would contribute anything.
Nobody asking you to write about how great those authors are that you hate, just don't be a dick.
The one thing I don't like about this site is how often we're like "high five, guys, we're so great. Look how much better and open minded we are than MTGS." Yeah we are great and open minded, but let's just get on with it.
Dom Harvey
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Yeah, keep it to Skype chats.
Does anyone else feel they were more satisfied with their Cube back in like, 2010? I love this place but part of me misses the days of innocently building normal-looking UB Control decks or whatever.
Does anyone else feel they were more satisfied with their Cube back in like, 2010? I love this place but part of me misses the days of innocently building normal-looking UB Control decks or whatever.
CML, we don't doubt that you hate a lot of things about the Magic culture, and some of the specific people in that community. But why do you assume everyone else here is a contrarian asshole, like yourself? From what I can tell, there are very few people on this forum that fit that description.
I'll let Jason voice his own opinion on this, but building a community around shitting on other communities is not what I signed up for when I helped to start this site. You have an opinion. We get it. But your opinion doesn't speak for the rest of us. Publishing an article like that on the front page would be sending the message that we, as a community, are taking a collective dump on these folks we're singling out, and I don't think that most people here are comfortable standing behind that.
I'll let Jason voice his own opinion on this, but building a community around shitting on other communities is not what I signed up for when I helped to start this site. You have an opinion. We get it. But your opinion doesn't speak for the rest of us. Publishing an article like that on the front page would be sending the message that we, as a community, are taking a collective dump on these folks we're singling out, and I don't think that most people here are comfortable standing behind that.
In the very first iteration of my cube, U/B control was far and away the best archetype. I miss countering all the spells, sweeping all the things, and then dropping one of my many finishers of choice.
I just fiddled with my cubetutor for BNG, with the end result that I now have a bit better extort and evolve support. I'm not entirely sure what happened.
I LOVE my cube now, it is so damn awesome. My control decks are still great and winning, and my aggro decks are now badass and winning too. And finally tempo has returned recently and is winning. Everything is winning.
I contend this statement on the grounds of basic logic.