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I have a Tuvasa deck that would similarly not mind this
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You know, I wasn't originally going to consider this card, but I actually might now.I'm sure I can find a slot for this bad boi
Cute. @TrainmasterGT, this seems to mesh decently with things your
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Basically, I found that all of the Constellation stuff in W/G just didn't work that well because most of the good enchantments cost like 1-3 mana and all of the best payoffs are 3-6 mana. The only "generically good" enchantments payoff was Archon of Sun's Grace, and that card is just a big Baneslayer that can provide some potential card advantage. Starfield of Nyx was also reasonable, but again, it ended up being more of a Graveyard Combo card than a real enchantments payoff.
So why am I telling you this? Well, I was planning to cut the enchantment theme from my Cube, but then I looked at the numbers in my current Sketch list, and realized this new Dryad might be pretty decent. Basically, I'm still keeping the Ramp:
And the midrange 3-drops:
Meaning my green section already has 8 enchantments (that I know of, + or - 1 because I'm unsure about wanting Overgrowth). That means the Weaver can tap for quite a bit of mana! The only thing I was weary about was the 0/2 body, but then I remembered Another 0/2 Two-Mana Mana-Dork that I was cubing and realized this might actually do what I need it to.
TL;DR, I thought I couldn't make Sanctum Weaver work without a dedicated enchantment deck, turns out, I don't.
Dear @SirFunchalot,
A few notes
You're doing things differently than the rest of us here. This website is dedicated to non-high powered cubes where we have to think, debate and construct different decks for our cubes in order to see which cards fit into each of our cubes. We're not just adding the most powerful cards into our cubes because we're bound by a power-max law and cutting the lowest power level card to make room for it. I am no judge of this forum but I believe everyone is welcome. Just know that your arguments for why you add a card to your cube doesn't click with almost everyone on this site because this is the page for Riptide Laboratory synergy. This is a niche corner of the cube pool
This is what started this whole debate three pages back. I believe Sigh proved that statement wrong with his documented scientific analysis later. Let's get to that in a minute.
I do not believe anyone on this site is running a cube at the 'upper levels of the power level pyramid'. I also don't believe you do. In order for a cube to be at the tip of the top of that pyramid, they are going to have to run all the cards that we collectively concluded to be the best cards ever in this game in this thread:
https://riptidelab.com/forum/threads/the-most-powerful-card-ever.3394/
Here are a few of the cards required to be run for a cube to be considered at the tip of the top of the pyramid
And if you enjoy how games with True-Name Nemesis feel in your cube, you can consider Knight of the Kitchen Sink for a cheaper version.
As you can read in the article, Venser is not among the most popular cube cards. It's the 9'th highest ranked blue creature. As in the 9'th highest power creature ever in blue. The MacDonald's comparison doesn't make sense because their burger's are not highly rated. They're just popular. Unlike Venser that is high power.
I hope this settles the debate. Sigh provided indisputable data to back up his claim.
A few notes
You're doing things differently than the rest of us here. This website is dedicated to non-high powered cubes where we have to think, debate and construct different decks for our cubes in order to see which cards fit into each of our cubes. We're not just adding the most powerful cards into our cubes because we're bound by a power-max law and cutting the lowest power level card to make room for it. I am no judge of this forum but I believe everyone is welcome. Just know that your arguments for why you add a card to your cube doesn't click with almost everyone on this site because this is the page for Riptide Laboratory synergy. This is a niche corner of the cube pool
This is what started this whole debate three pages back. I believe Sigh proved that statement wrong with his documented scientific analysis later. Let's get to that in a minute.
I do not believe anyone on this site is running a cube at the 'upper levels of the power level pyramid'. I also don't believe you do. In order for a cube to be at the tip of the top of that pyramid, they are going to have to run all the cards that we collectively concluded to be the best cards ever in this game in this thread:
https://riptidelab.com/forum/threads/the-most-powerful-card-ever.3394/
Here are a few of the cards required to be run for a cube to be considered at the tip of the top of the pyramid
And if you enjoy how games with True-Name Nemesis feel in your cube, you can consider Knight of the Kitchen Sink for a cheaper version.
As you can read in the article, Venser is not among the most popular cube cards. It's the 9'th highest ranked blue creature. As in the 9'th highest power creature ever in blue. The MacDonald's comparison doesn't make sense because their burger's are not highly rated. They're just popular. Unlike Venser that is high power.
I hope this settles the debate. Sigh provided indisputable data to back up his claim.
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Uh... I'm going to have to step in here again. Let's all keep things civil.
1) It's okay for SirFunchalot to say Venser is not at the top tier of Magic cards. Him not running Black Lotus doesn't invalidate that. You can debate 'extremely weak' certainly, but:
2) I wouldn't try to debate it with statistics. Both CubeCobra and CubeTutor have ELO ratings for cards that are dodgy at best, and are based on pick rate data from people who will never play the decks, much less with competitive intent. Moreover, it says nothing about whether those cards would actually contribute to winning the matches or not. If this were like, football cube or something: I could put Ozil in my 11-man theoretical team all day long but it's only on the pitch that we'd see that he's way past it.
3) This site isn't really dedicated to non-high powered cubes. Ideally it'd be more about open-mindedness in cube construction. Ideally we can have people of different perspectives happily coexisting.
If anybody has issues with the discourse here, as always let me know. As you note, Funch has a certain perspective when he discusses cards, as we all do. The same reason I probably will exclude Territorial Kavu from one or more of my lists is likely the same reason why he would include it.
A card can be not best-in-slot and we can still run it anyways. We can disagree on how strong a card is. But I think as long as we keep it friendly and allow everyone to do their own thing, we're good.
Regarding Venser specifically, I have him in my list, but he's certainly not the first card I ever lock into my 40. I won't judge any of you for including or excluding him.
1) It's okay for SirFunchalot to say Venser is not at the top tier of Magic cards. Him not running Black Lotus doesn't invalidate that. You can debate 'extremely weak' certainly, but:
2) I wouldn't try to debate it with statistics. Both CubeCobra and CubeTutor have ELO ratings for cards that are dodgy at best, and are based on pick rate data from people who will never play the decks, much less with competitive intent. Moreover, it says nothing about whether those cards would actually contribute to winning the matches or not. If this were like, football cube or something: I could put Ozil in my 11-man theoretical team all day long but it's only on the pitch that we'd see that he's way past it.
3) This site isn't really dedicated to non-high powered cubes. Ideally it'd be more about open-mindedness in cube construction. Ideally we can have people of different perspectives happily coexisting.
If anybody has issues with the discourse here, as always let me know. As you note, Funch has a certain perspective when he discusses cards, as we all do. The same reason I probably will exclude Territorial Kavu from one or more of my lists is likely the same reason why he would include it.
A card can be not best-in-slot and we can still run it anyways. We can disagree on how strong a card is. But I think as long as we keep it friendly and allow everyone to do their own thing, we're good.
Regarding Venser specifically, I have him in my list, but he's certainly not the first card I ever lock into my 40. I won't judge any of you for including or excluding him.
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Actually, I don't really think this debate is useful at all. Let's do something very non-Riptidian and try to stay on topic and discuss newly spoiled cards in this thread.
Yes. Let's get to that:
Questionably calculated number. The only one actually relating to the power of the card.
Nothing to do with power.
Another questionably calculated number that's influenced by innumerable factors.
Nothing to do with power.
It's extremely important to note that there's no win percentage metrics of any kind included.
True, based on the metrics outlined. 40% of which were unrelated to power and 60% of which are very rough calculations.
Again, no. The calculations on that page are not based on the card's power.
It was a great comparison. McD's is popular due to taste, price, speed, and other factors. Same as Venser, who is popular for many factors besides power.
Except the data was not a direct reference to power level and the debate ended pages ago.
I already said my piece on Venser. It's great some spots and terrible in others. That's fine. That's cube. We aren't in a vacuum here.
I mainly responded because the data is being horribly misrepresented, which is detrimental to anyone seeking to use it.
It's either choose one or if you have delirium, it's choose both.
The options are the two things Prophetic Bolt does.
*starts reworking green section*
Lmao. I totally missed this. I super skim over nonblack multicolored cards. It's even in the damn name.
What happened to his arms? Is that a defect or an injury or is that normal for Giant Wizards?
That titan is sweet. And I think he's just making fists ...
Hm, did you know there is no izzet card with madness? I think there should be some, and this set should deliver. Yes, I know, the theme here is delirium, but in modern horizons, a card can have easily both, right? If I were to design a mh card, I'd probably start with writing "delirium, madness", so come on wizards!
Hm, did you know there is no izzet card with madness? I think there should be some, and this set should deliver. Yes, I know, the theme here is delirium, but in modern horizons, a card can have easily both, right? If I were to design a mh card, I'd probably start with writing "delirium, madness", so come on wizards!
Oh. :cml:
Onderzeeboot
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Judge! This site allows me to only like this post once!
This... fits my UB discard matters theme to a tee
Accurately named. I assume the not extended art has reminder text?
Onderzeeboot
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Whenever you discard a card, you may pay 1. If you do, Amass 2.
That's a great signpost for my cube!
Okay well since Brad and Onde decided to continue the talk, I will level them.
The reason why the debate 'ended' long ago and I commented one page later was because I slept when this conversation happened. Time zones, guys.
Right now we have statistical data to support that Venser, Shaper Savant is high power. We have no statistical data to support the card isn't. Maybe the data is not to your liking, but it's certainly scientific and better than one man's opinion.
We can let the topic rest now
The reason why the debate 'ended' long ago and I commented one page later was because I slept when this conversation happened. Time zones, guys.
Right now we have statistical data to support that Venser, Shaper Savant is high power. We have no statistical data to support the card isn't. Maybe the data is not to your liking, but it's certainly scientific and better than one man's opinion.
We can let the topic rest now
Those statistics say nothing of the sort. I'm deleting all future posts I see about Venser in this thread.
I have the right to answer when Brad comments this:
When I'm sleeping because I do not live in his country. It is not my fault three pages were commented in my sleep.
Making a one time exception to the rule I just made.
Vens 
Onderzeeboot
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Making a one time exception to the rule I just made.
Vens
Yes sir, sorry!
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You're doing it wrong! These are great alongside Psychatog!
If only they would reprint a non-foil modern border version of it already! They reprinted Upheaval in MH2, Psychatog has got to be in as well, right!
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Whenever you discard a card, you may pay 1. If you do, Amass 2.
That's a great signpost for my cube!
this will feel right at home in my
Also as a data scientist myself I very much appreciate some other folks coming to bat and calling out dodgy analytics, gives me happy brain chemicals.
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